Maya
12-26-2009, 07:44 PM
Tämä on kysymys josta saa jatkuvasti kuulla, mutta vastustaja ei välitä tutkia koko totuutta vaan suoltaa samaa vanhaa juttua jatkuvasti. Tässa¨totuus mm. Nancy Rigdonista:
"Happiness is the object and design of our existence; and will be the end thereof, if we pursue the path that leads to it, and this path is virtue, uprightness, faithfulness, holiness, and keeping all the commandments of God. But we cannot keep all the commandments without first knowing them, and we cannot expect to know all, or more than we now know unless we comply with or keep those we have already received. That which is wrong under one circumstance, may be, and often is, right under another. God said, thou shalt not kill, -- at another time he said, thou shalt utterly destroy. This is the principle on which the government of heaven is conducted -- by revelation adapted to the circumstances in which the children of the kingdom are placed. Whatever God requires is right, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, although we may not see the reason thereof till long after the events transpire. If we seek first the kingdom of God, all good things will be added. So with Solomon -- first he asked wisdom, and God gave it him, and with it every DESIRE of his heart, even things which might be considered abominable to all who understand the order of heaven only in part, but which in reality, were right, because God gave and sanctioned by special revelation. A parent may whip a child, and justly too, because he stole an apple, whereas if the child had asked for the apple, and the parent had given it, the child would have eaten it with a better appetite, there would have been no stripes -- all the pleasure of the apple would have been secured, all the misery of stealing lost. This principle will justly apply to all of God's dealings with his children. Everything that God gives us is lawful and right, and 'tis proper that we should enjoy his gifts and blessings whenever and wherever he is disposed to bestow; but if we should seize upon those same blessings and enjoyments without law, without revelation, without commandment, those blessings and enjoyments would prove cursings and vexations in the end, and we should have to lie down in sorrow and wailings of everlasting regret. But in obedience there is joy and peace unspotted, unalloyed, and as God has designed our happiness, and the happiness of all his creatures, he never has, he never will institute an ordinance or give a commandment to his people that is not calculated in its nature to promote that happiness which he has designed, and which will not end in the greatest amount of good and glory to those who become the recipients of his law and ordinances. Blessings offered, but rejected, are no longer blessings, but become like the talent hid in the earth by the wicked and slothful servant -- the proffered good returns to the giver, the blessing is bestowed on those who will receive and occupy, for unto him that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundantly, but unto him that hath not or will not receive, shall be taken away that which he hath, or might have had.
"Be wise to-day, 'tis Madness to defer,
"Next day the fatal precedent may plead;
Thus on till wisdom is pushed out of time.
Into eternity."
Our heavenly father is more liberal in his views, and boundless in his mercies and blessings, than we are ready to believe or receive, and, at the same time, is more terrible to the workers of iniquity, more awful in the executions of his punishments, and more ready to detect every false way, than we are apt to suppose him to be. He will [be] enquired of by his children -- he says, ask, and ye SHALL RECEIVE, seek and ye SHALL find, but if you will take that which is not your own, or which I have not given you, you shall be rewarded according to your deeds, but no good thing will I withold from them who walk uprightly before me, and do my will in all things, who will listen to my voice, and TO THE VOICE OF MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE SENT, for I delight in those who seek diligently to know my precepts, and abide by the law of my kingdom, for all things shall be made known unto them in mine own due time, and in the end they shall have joy."
Myös : http://www.mormonismi.com/showthread.php?t=17297
Sekä
Totuus on edelleen epävarma oliko Fanny JSn tinen vaimo vai ei. Jokainen tehköön oman mielipiteensä asiasta. Minä uskon hänen olleen JSn toinen vaimo, mutta koska Emma oli niin vastaan moniavioisuutta ei JS ottanut muita vaimoja kotiinsa, vaan meni vain platoonisesti naimisiin muiden kanssa. Voi kuitenkin olla, että Fanny Ei ollut JS vaimo lainkaan. On myös huomionarvoista, että sekä Emma, että JSIII kielsivät hautaan asti että JS olisi ollut moniavioinen. Reorganisoitu kirkko näkee mielummin Fannyn ja JSn välillä olleen laittoman suhteen.
Sana transaction joka tapahtui Fannyn ja JSn välillä kun Emma heidät löysi viittaa Websterin tietosanakijan mukaan työtä koskevaan kesksuteluun, jonkin keskustelatavan asia loppuun sattamiseen tai sopimuksen tekoon, ehkä kiistelyyn työ asiassa.
http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith_and_polygamy/Fanny_Alger_and_William_McLellin
http://en.fairmormon.org/Polygamy_book/Fanny_Alger:_Marriage_or_affair
C. Bennet jonka kautta moni "tieto" mormonismista kirkon alkuaikoina on harrastanut paljon väärennöksiä elämänsä aikana. Hänen vaimonsa jätti hänet koska hän petti tätä jatkuvasti eikä hoitanut tehtäviään perheen päänä. Tämän jälkeen Bennet löysi tiensä mormonien luo. SJ tarvitsi tuolloi apua jota Bennet ilomielin antoikin nousten nopeasti ihmisten arvoasteikossa tuntemattomasta maankiertäjästä SJn apulaiseksi. liityttyään kirkkoon kuitenkin totuus hänestä tuli julki. Hän " katui" ja asia haudattiin, kunnes havaittiin että hän vikeitteli nuoria tyttöjä ja jopa aviovaimoja. Hän alkoi saarnata moniavioisuutta mutta joutui tunnustamaan saarnaamisensa vain omiksi ajatuksikseen ei kä kirkon totuuksiksi. Hänellä oli suhde Sarah Prattin kanssa sekä monen muun mormonivaimon tai tytön kanssa. Lopulta hänet erotettiin kirkosta ja hän teki ilotalon Temppelin lähistölle. Koska hän oli lääkäri hän ehdoitteli nuorille naisille abortoivaa lääkettä. Hänet saatiin myös kiinni homoseksuaalisesta suhteesta.
Aika moinen tyyppi tutustua voit täällä: http://pool.fairmormon.org/wiki/images/d/db/John_C._Bennett_draft.pdf
Nuoret vaimot:
Joseph Smith hankki luvan kaikkien nuorten vaimojensa vanhemmilta. Koska tuolloin ei antit reagoineet nuoriin vaimoihin on todennäköistä että tuolloin ei ollut mitenkään erikoista se että meni naimisiin nuoren kanssa. Englannin laki sanoi 10 vuotiaiden olevan tarpeeksi vanhoja ja sitä käytettiin useimmissa paikoissa USAta, Delaware laski iänb seitesemään. Vata 1800 luvun lopulla nostettiin ikärajaa 12 ja myöhemmin enemmän.
http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Marriages_to_young_women
http://en.fairmormon.org/Polygamy_book/Age_of_wives
"Happiness is the object and design of our existence; and will be the end thereof, if we pursue the path that leads to it, and this path is virtue, uprightness, faithfulness, holiness, and keeping all the commandments of God. But we cannot keep all the commandments without first knowing them, and we cannot expect to know all, or more than we now know unless we comply with or keep those we have already received. That which is wrong under one circumstance, may be, and often is, right under another. God said, thou shalt not kill, -- at another time he said, thou shalt utterly destroy. This is the principle on which the government of heaven is conducted -- by revelation adapted to the circumstances in which the children of the kingdom are placed. Whatever God requires is right, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, although we may not see the reason thereof till long after the events transpire. If we seek first the kingdom of God, all good things will be added. So with Solomon -- first he asked wisdom, and God gave it him, and with it every DESIRE of his heart, even things which might be considered abominable to all who understand the order of heaven only in part, but which in reality, were right, because God gave and sanctioned by special revelation. A parent may whip a child, and justly too, because he stole an apple, whereas if the child had asked for the apple, and the parent had given it, the child would have eaten it with a better appetite, there would have been no stripes -- all the pleasure of the apple would have been secured, all the misery of stealing lost. This principle will justly apply to all of God's dealings with his children. Everything that God gives us is lawful and right, and 'tis proper that we should enjoy his gifts and blessings whenever and wherever he is disposed to bestow; but if we should seize upon those same blessings and enjoyments without law, without revelation, without commandment, those blessings and enjoyments would prove cursings and vexations in the end, and we should have to lie down in sorrow and wailings of everlasting regret. But in obedience there is joy and peace unspotted, unalloyed, and as God has designed our happiness, and the happiness of all his creatures, he never has, he never will institute an ordinance or give a commandment to his people that is not calculated in its nature to promote that happiness which he has designed, and which will not end in the greatest amount of good and glory to those who become the recipients of his law and ordinances. Blessings offered, but rejected, are no longer blessings, but become like the talent hid in the earth by the wicked and slothful servant -- the proffered good returns to the giver, the blessing is bestowed on those who will receive and occupy, for unto him that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundantly, but unto him that hath not or will not receive, shall be taken away that which he hath, or might have had.
"Be wise to-day, 'tis Madness to defer,
"Next day the fatal precedent may plead;
Thus on till wisdom is pushed out of time.
Into eternity."
Our heavenly father is more liberal in his views, and boundless in his mercies and blessings, than we are ready to believe or receive, and, at the same time, is more terrible to the workers of iniquity, more awful in the executions of his punishments, and more ready to detect every false way, than we are apt to suppose him to be. He will [be] enquired of by his children -- he says, ask, and ye SHALL RECEIVE, seek and ye SHALL find, but if you will take that which is not your own, or which I have not given you, you shall be rewarded according to your deeds, but no good thing will I withold from them who walk uprightly before me, and do my will in all things, who will listen to my voice, and TO THE VOICE OF MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE SENT, for I delight in those who seek diligently to know my precepts, and abide by the law of my kingdom, for all things shall be made known unto them in mine own due time, and in the end they shall have joy."
Myös : http://www.mormonismi.com/showthread.php?t=17297
Sekä
Totuus on edelleen epävarma oliko Fanny JSn tinen vaimo vai ei. Jokainen tehköön oman mielipiteensä asiasta. Minä uskon hänen olleen JSn toinen vaimo, mutta koska Emma oli niin vastaan moniavioisuutta ei JS ottanut muita vaimoja kotiinsa, vaan meni vain platoonisesti naimisiin muiden kanssa. Voi kuitenkin olla, että Fanny Ei ollut JS vaimo lainkaan. On myös huomionarvoista, että sekä Emma, että JSIII kielsivät hautaan asti että JS olisi ollut moniavioinen. Reorganisoitu kirkko näkee mielummin Fannyn ja JSn välillä olleen laittoman suhteen.
Sana transaction joka tapahtui Fannyn ja JSn välillä kun Emma heidät löysi viittaa Websterin tietosanakijan mukaan työtä koskevaan kesksuteluun, jonkin keskustelatavan asia loppuun sattamiseen tai sopimuksen tekoon, ehkä kiistelyyn työ asiassa.
http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith_and_polygamy/Fanny_Alger_and_William_McLellin
http://en.fairmormon.org/Polygamy_book/Fanny_Alger:_Marriage_or_affair
C. Bennet jonka kautta moni "tieto" mormonismista kirkon alkuaikoina on harrastanut paljon väärennöksiä elämänsä aikana. Hänen vaimonsa jätti hänet koska hän petti tätä jatkuvasti eikä hoitanut tehtäviään perheen päänä. Tämän jälkeen Bennet löysi tiensä mormonien luo. SJ tarvitsi tuolloi apua jota Bennet ilomielin antoikin nousten nopeasti ihmisten arvoasteikossa tuntemattomasta maankiertäjästä SJn apulaiseksi. liityttyään kirkkoon kuitenkin totuus hänestä tuli julki. Hän " katui" ja asia haudattiin, kunnes havaittiin että hän vikeitteli nuoria tyttöjä ja jopa aviovaimoja. Hän alkoi saarnata moniavioisuutta mutta joutui tunnustamaan saarnaamisensa vain omiksi ajatuksikseen ei kä kirkon totuuksiksi. Hänellä oli suhde Sarah Prattin kanssa sekä monen muun mormonivaimon tai tytön kanssa. Lopulta hänet erotettiin kirkosta ja hän teki ilotalon Temppelin lähistölle. Koska hän oli lääkäri hän ehdoitteli nuorille naisille abortoivaa lääkettä. Hänet saatiin myös kiinni homoseksuaalisesta suhteesta.
Aika moinen tyyppi tutustua voit täällä: http://pool.fairmormon.org/wiki/images/d/db/John_C._Bennett_draft.pdf
Nuoret vaimot:
Joseph Smith hankki luvan kaikkien nuorten vaimojensa vanhemmilta. Koska tuolloin ei antit reagoineet nuoriin vaimoihin on todennäköistä että tuolloin ei ollut mitenkään erikoista se että meni naimisiin nuoren kanssa. Englannin laki sanoi 10 vuotiaiden olevan tarpeeksi vanhoja ja sitä käytettiin useimmissa paikoissa USAta, Delaware laski iänb seitesemään. Vata 1800 luvun lopulla nostettiin ikärajaa 12 ja myöhemmin enemmän.
http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Marriages_to_young_women
http://en.fairmormon.org/Polygamy_book/Age_of_wives